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Need help getting key out of ignition

Postby InfilTR8 » 23 Oct 2009 00:20

My key is stuck. [:(!] Actually, it came to me that way.

Is there a trick to getting it out? [?]

I looked for a button or interlock. It is a manual trans.

I sprayed high quality oil and let it sit for 2 days. Nothing. The cylinder will turn thru all (I think) positions, start, on, and off. Is there one more (remove) position with an interlock?

Thanks. [:)]

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Postby PeterTR7V8 » 23 Oct 2009 00:31

Have you tried pulling on the key while turning the steering wheel?

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Postby Hasbeen » 23 Oct 2009 03:29

Infil, there is a bit of a trick. When you turn the key off, it does
just that. It goes to off, & will not come out.

To get it out; Start with the key in the run position, push the key
towards the lock, you should feel it move in a bit. Hold it in, &
turn it to off, & keep turning. It should go one stage furrther
than the off position. Once there you should be able to remove it.

Some of these locks seem to work perfectly, & others are a
bit "Notchy". One of mine only works correctly about every second
time I want to remove the key, so I have to go back to the run
position, & try again.

Good luck.

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Postby humanoid » 23 Oct 2009 05:03

In the off position, push key in and keep turning the key towards you and you can pull the key out. It took me awhile to figure that out when I first got the 7.

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Postby nadg63 » 23 Oct 2009 14:03

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Century Gothic, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by humanoid</i>

In the off position, push key in and keep turning the key towards you and you can pull the key out. It took me awhile to figure that out when I first got the 7.

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Glad I am not the only one! Could never get the key out of mine, did my head in as to why something so simple just wouldn't happen.

Solved it now though, doesn't have a key [:)]

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Postby InfilTR8 » 24 Oct 2009 03:55

Got it out, thanks to all of you. [:D]

In the off position, I pushed in and turned the key counterclockwise (anticlockwise) where it did not budge until I yanked on the steering wheel, then all went loose, the key turned and I could pull it out.

It was the only key, so today I took it to a locksmith who cut one to code specs by eyeballing. She did a great job, the new key fits the ignition and doors. The trunk seems to use a narrower key, so does not fit. Is this correct for the trunk? Is it supposed to be a separate key? Or perhaps a narrower key with the same teeth? A valet security feature? My '78 BMW 320i was like that.

The locksmith says her key is like the factory key. She'll cut all the keys I want for $4 each. Better than copying the old worn one, which I can see was cut too low, because the lowest tooth notches the heavier grooved length of the key.

BTW, all the generic key blanks here are marked small, "MG". Are there any fancy key blanks with "TRIUMPH" marked in a nice style or logo? Where can I find them? [?]

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Postby Odd » 24 Oct 2009 04:09

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Century Gothic, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> The trunk seems to use a narrower key, is it supposed to be a separate key? <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> Yes, totally different type. Glove box and Luggage compartment lid use this key...

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Postby jclay (RIP 2018) » 24 Oct 2009 04:12

The trunk and the glove box use the same small key, while the doors and the ignition use the larger key. BTW, If you want to lock the doors before you close them pull the door handles out and push down the lock knob. If you have a Fixed Head, be sure to have your keys in your pocket first.

Also, if you have a big ring on your ignition key set, always make sure that it is not folded over the key head when you insert it into the lock. If you have the bad fortune to have that happen, you will not be able to push the key in to remove it.

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Postby jclay (RIP 2018) » 24 Oct 2009 04:16

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Postby InfilTR8 » 24 Oct 2009 09:00

There were other keys on the ring. One was the gas cap. Two others I just tried out. One works on the trunk. The other works on the glove box. They are not interchangeable. Perhaps one of the two locks were replaced in the past. So I have three more keys to have to duplicate [:(].

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Postby macmattom » 24 Oct 2009 15:11

<font face="Comic Sans MS"><font size="2"><font color="blue">InfilTR8, it depends on how far you want to go but I found it quite easy to dismantle the boot lock right back down to the tumblers and VERY VERY tiny springs (approximately 1 mm, yes one mm in diameter and 4 or 5 mm long!!). All you need is a very thin punch, probably no more than 2 or 3 mm in diameter, to push out the locking pins. Once you decide to commit, the whole process is actually quite simple to work-out step by step, but make sure if you do take one to pieces you do it somewhere clean, because these bits are very small and can spring away from the unsuspecting!

I then fitted and tweeked the tumblers in such a way that my ignition and door key now also fits the boot. It did take a bit of time and was quite fiddly, but eventually I succeeded in getting a lovely fit. The major difference is that there are 7 tumblers on the ignition/door keys, but only 5 on the boot; no problem, just make the 5 tumblers of the boot lock match the first 5 tumblers of the ignition/door mechanism.

If you were feeling adventurous you could try the same and rebuild yours accordingly, but might I suggest that if you were going to try this that you bought a spare lock barrel (from eBay?) and had a tinker with that. If succesful, swap over with your existing one, if not you've lost a few dollars but will know intimately how the lock works [:D] and your lock will still be intact. I didn't get as far as the glove box but will get around to it one day.

If you were interested I would be able to take a few photos of the mechanism to give you an idea of the intricate nature of the task, but as I only get to the car at weekends it would be a week or so I get them posted.

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Postby stevie_a » 24 Oct 2009 15:47

<font color="maroon"><b>Alternativy you could do this

As I did on my last tr7

put a key in the glove box ( I used ignition key )

remove the barrel from the glove box slowly making sure all the parts stay in place

after removal make sure that the key is fully home

using a grinding wheel carefully remove all the excess brass that is sticking out from the barrel

until it it the same round shape as the barrel

replace back into the glove box and your ignition key now opens and lock's your glove box

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Postby nofinchance » 24 Oct 2009 15:52

Stevie, I am reaching for the grinder as I type that is a excellent quick and simple mod.[8D]

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Postby macmattom » 24 Oct 2009 16:35

<font face="Comic Sans MS"><font size="2"><font color="blue">That's a good idea, and obviously quicker than doing each tumbler separately. I'm trying to think of a reason NOT to do it your way, and to be honest, I can't!!

I did try to swap the order of the tumblers around first to make sure that when the key was removed all 5 tumblers locked back into the mechanism, and I think I got 4 right without having to fettle anything, but I had to give in on the fifth and file quite a bit off. This just meant that when the key was pulled out, that particular tumbler wasn't quite long enough to engage on the side of the barrel and assist the locking: no dramas as 9 out of 10 did.

I must admit though, Stevie, your idea is certainly quicker and as long as enough tumblers are still able to engage in the lock, I'd certainly use it myself if I ever needed to again. A very good idea.</font id="blue"></font id="size2"></font id="Comic Sans MS">

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Postby InfilTR8 » 24 Oct 2009 20:54

<font size="6"></font id="size6">Good ideas. [:D] Now I'm gonna have to think it over. [^][8D]

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