Possible solution to some overheating problems

Cobber · Postby **Cobber** » 22 Jul 2009 10:08

I heard about this product today:
Liquid Intelligence 115 Synthetic Waterless Coolant.
Liquid Intelligents 115- Total Fill Race Coolant is a 100% solution of glycols blended with a Hybrid Organic Carboxylate Inhibitor. When used as a Total Fill, with a 7 to 13 psi pressure cap on a closed cooling system (radiator) increases the boiling point to 190Â°C.
Here is a link to the data sheet:
http://www.excelerate.com.au/downloads/ ... 0Sheet.pdf
and here is a link to the company's site:
http://www.liquidintelligence.com.au/index.html

I must point out that I'm making no recommendation or endorsement of this product as I haven't used it or had a chance to talk to anybody who has used it yet. I'm just putting this up a a topic for discussion and consideration for those whom have cooling problems.

80'Triumph TR7, , 73'Land Rover (Ford 351. V8),
'89 Ford Fairlane
85'Alfa 90, 69'Ford F250.
76' Ford F100

Cobber · Postby **Cobber** » 22 Jul 2009 11:08

I've found another link for this mob: http://www.liquidintelligence115.com.au/Home_Page.php
and this stuff is apparently recommended by Spintparts; http://www.sprintparts.triumphowners.com/

80'Triumph TR7, , 73'Land Rover (Ford 351. V8),
'89 Ford Fairlane
85'Alfa 90, 69'Ford F250.
76' Ford F100

windy one · Postby **windy one** » 22 Jul 2009 16:57

Good post. You just reminded me of the several types/brands of advanced coolants avail for cars & trucks. Using this brand or not, I plan to fill my cooling system with a coolant much like the one you suggest rather than traditional coolant.

I also have a line on a similar type, when I get more info on it Ill report back if anyone interested [:)]

Johnny

bmcecosse · Postby **bmcecosse** » 22 Jul 2009 21:38

Can't see ANY need for this - the engine is designed to run at ~ 80/90 deg C. NOT at 190 deg C!! Water plus correct % of anti-freeze works fine !

PeterTR7V8 · Postby **PeterTR7V8** » 22 Jul 2009 23:35

Its less corrosive, don't have to worry about water/anti-freeze ratios & has a longer life - according to the blurb.

Never say die. At least not while you're still breathing.

TR7Aaron · Postby **TR7Aaron** » 22 Jul 2009 23:43

There's a product called 'Wetter water' that you can add to your cooling system that is supposed to make the water (water only - no coolant) absorb heat faster and better. I've never used it, but it's been around for awhile.
A pint of isopropyl alcohol would do the same thing though...

Aaron
1976 TR7 FHC (an ongoing project)

Hasbeen · Postby **Hasbeen** » 23 Jul 2009 01:34

I have Water Wetter in the 8. I tried it earlier, when the system
was just not up to the job. It helped, but it can't make a bad
system into a good one.

My system is now pretty good, & the water wetter makes it better.
Although I find it impossible to quantify, it does run cooler with
it, but it's the recovery that is impressive.

After a hard thrash gets the thing nudging up over 1/2, a couple of
hundred yards, on light throttle, or down a slight hill will bring
it down 20%.

With it, the car will now run, with air con, on open roads, in 100
degree temp, without the fans ever comming on. Without it, the fans
run, almost non stop.

It is put out by Red Line, who have a pretty good reputation to
protect, which is why I tried it.

Cobber, why can't you find these things, before I've spent a fortune
on cooling the thing?

Hasbeen

PeterTR7V8 · Postby **PeterTR7V8** » 23 Jul 2009 04:38

A new radiator core was all my car needed. It will now stay at 'normal' at idle & only goes high enough to turn the fan on in stop start traffic.

Never say die. At least not while you're still breathing.

Marko · Postby **Marko** » 23 Jul 2009 10:11

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by TR7Aaron

There's a product called 'Wetter water' that you can add to your cooling system that is supposed to make the water (water only - no coolant) absorb heat faster and better. I've never used it, but it's been around for awhile.
A pint of isopropyl alcohol would do the same thing though...
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there is no such supstance on the world.

only thing that you can do is to increase the vaporisation pressure , and thats why we have water pumps and spring loaded radiator caps.

even the smallest amount of antifreeze ( like 10%) stops(inhibits) corosion. but the problem is that we have 30 year old cars that have everything except dead people roting in their coolant system,

vinegar or any such mild acid does wonders for the deposits of lime in the coolant system and can not dammage the rubbers or metal.

Wayne S · Postby **Wayne S** » 23 Jul 2009 12:50

Yep Water Wetter's good - my experience has been the same as Hasbeen won't cure a bad system but aids and good system keep not only that little bit cooler but also to heat up quicker from cold to reduce engine wear.

2.0 Litre DHC Grinnall
Red 4.0 Litre V8 DHC Grinnall (with huuuuuge arches...!)

Cobber · Postby **Cobber** » 27 Jul 2009 02:11

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Marko

there is no such supstance on the world.

only thing that you can do is to increase the vaporisation pressure , and thats why we have water pumps and spring loaded radiator caps.

even the smallest amount of antifreeze ( like 10%) stops(inhibits) corosion. but the problem is that we have 30 year old cars that have everything except dead people roting in their coolant system,

vinegar or any such mild acid does wonders for the deposits of lime in the coolant system and can not dammage the rubbers or metal.
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Actually Marco, I think the "Water Wetter" everyone is referring to is really a surfactant, an additive to help the water stick to and thereby cover what ever it is applied to.
Back in my CFA volunteer fire-fighter days we used to add surfactants to the tankers to increase the efficiency of the water we were using to put out the bush fires.

80'Triumph TR7, , 73'Land Rover (Ford 351. V8),
'89 Ford Fairlane
85'Alfa 90, 69'Ford F250.
76' Ford F100

Henk · Postby **Henk** » 27 Jul 2009 07:58

Normal coolant (from a supermarket) is good enough if your coolingsystem is in good order.
Made yesterday a 300 km trip at 130 km/h and de temp.needle came never above half.

Henk

1980 TR7 US Convertible
1978 Mini Clubman Estate

Cobber · Postby **Cobber** » 27 Jul 2009 09:28

You have to remember some of us live in hot countries where 45C+ deg temps are common over summer (We had 1 day last year that hit 50C deg!) and a cooling system that works fine in Europe can be absolutely useless here, as many European and British manufacturers have found out to their great cost.
So when we replace the 4cyl engine with a decent sized V8 we encounter serious cooling problems.
I'm sure our friends in the southern US states have similar problems.
So if some of us seem obsessed with what my seem overkill to most of you, to us it's normal to put extra effort and resources into our cooling systems.

80'Triumph TR7, , 73'Land Rover (Ford 351. V8),
'89 Ford Fairlane
85'Alfa 90, 69'Ford F250.
76' Ford F100

Henk · Postby **Henk** » 27 Jul 2009 11:10

I don't stood still by the hot temperatures at your country.
Here it is 25 to 30C.
You need an airco to cool your water.[:)]

Henk

1980 TR7 US Convertible
1978 Mini Clubman Estate

Marko · Postby **Marko** » 27 Jul 2009 18:27

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Cobber

Actually Marco, I think the "Water Wetter" everyone is referring to is really a surfactant, an additive to help the water stick to and thereby cover what ever it is applied to.
Back in my CFA volunteer fire-fighter days we used to add surfactants to the tankers to increase the efficiency of the water we were using to put out the bush fires.
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yup, thats true , not only that but it increases the coefficient of heat transfer between the metal surface (solid) and the coolant ( liquid) , same thing can be achived by increasing the speed at which coolant flows trough the engine block.

same problem , many diffrent solutions.

but you cant increase the specific heat capacity of the water.

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