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Postby Chris Turner » 03 Feb 2009 07:42

John, by original do you mean. "as it left the factory" or still to original spec.

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Postby john » 03 Feb 2009 07:55

well thats open to discussion in itself. i suppose compared to say a well restored TR6 maybe slight mods like electronic ignitions ok, but much more then NO surely.

Perhaps to the TR range worth lets say in a ten of thousands pounds of range it doesn't matter but would an enthusiast in the twenty odd thousand pounds range find a un-original front spioler too much to bare, even a mp3 radio wouldn't be right would it.

IMHO [:D]

But then i really can't talk as neither of my sevens are anywhere near "original" but then that could be the era i was brought up in as none of my own cars stayed as original for long. even my first car a HUMBER SCEPTRE was pimped to some extreme.


perhaps it's the shape of the damn wedges that just enspire so much imagination that means very few original cars will survive.

Surely Chris you are one of a very few that strive to keep these cars original.......

And at the end of the day perhaps you will be a TRIUMPH millionaire


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Postby Wayne S » 03 Feb 2009 08:28

Dunno what your on about John, both mine are fully original Grinnalls????? Just as they left the factory [:D]

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Postby Chris Turner » 03 Feb 2009 09:24

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Postby tr7inc » 03 Feb 2009 09:58

Hi guys, mine is as far as i know totally original also even the engine is the same 2 litre without any modifications done to it, well not yet anyway, i have all the pics, documentation & Heritage Certificate also, to ne quite honest and i dont know if others share my view, but with the lovely examples of the 7 we have today, i reckon if it hadnt been for strikes, and politics etc, if production had carried on for the car, maybe the modifications we see today may in some ways have happened anyway, The 7 seems very much a car that you either keep original or personalise to ones own taste, and with enhusiasts like ourselves lovley caring for them they should be around for a very longtime lets hope so anyway.
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Postby FI Spyder » 03 Feb 2009 18:42

Mine is very original including paint and hood but for:

Seat coverings as the Spider seat stripes always split early on where the stripes are sewn and there are no repros.

Low amp alternator not known to be installed with A/C units although I have another correct one as a spare.

Gear reduction starter that I installed due to a erroneous diagnosis. I still have original and a spare but too much trouble to change back.

Rear muffler is a aftermarket Thrush but looks too cool to change back to plain Jane.

I was carefull to repaint any parts to original colour like argent silver valve cover, robin's egg blue of the intake hose clips and oil filter cover.

Although I don't use the A/C (no freon) I keep it there so people can see what A/C looked like originally. Original Panasonic AM/Fm Stereo as I don't listen to music on the road (other than the music of the Thrush exhaust.)


I would like a coupe to do up as a Sprint but I don't know if I could get collector status for it as none were imported here.
That's important here because if you you have say five collector cars you only need one set of plates and $200 insurance on the theory you can only drive one at a time.




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Postby silverseven » 04 Feb 2009 01:07

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Century Gothic, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by john</i>
I ask you how many of the people on here would call their car "ORIGINAL"
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I'd also say my 1982 is as close to "origina;l" as a road car can be...

as it still sports it's factory paint,interior,roof and mechanicals.

To date I've only had to replace maintence items like the battary(X2),belts,and fluids,frt brakes and rotors,muffler and t-pipe,shocks and springs,tires,and recently rebuilt the alt.

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Postby busheytrader » 04 Feb 2009 02:56

John,

I agree with you that there aren't many original cars left but where is the incentive to keep them standard?

If an original 7 was worth as much as the earlier TR's, there would be more of them around. If an unmodified 7 had the performance of a current hot hatch, there would be more standard 7's on the road.(I'm not wanting to cause offence to anyone who keeps an unmolested 7) I remember driving an XR3i and 205Gti back in the 80's and wishing that my 7 would handle and accelerate like them. It didn't.

Standard 7's do offer enormous performance potential though. It doesn't take much to uprate the suspension and fit bigger brakes when the standard items wear out and perish. That's what I did and it's handling is transformed. The 2.0L engine is capable of 130bhp with a bit of tuning or the sprint engine can be fitted. The 7 was designed to take the V8 from the start and it's a doddle to fit. The 5 speed cars already have the drivetrain to take V8 power. (We never had production TR8's this side of the pond)

The interiors don't last forever and neither does the bodywork which gives us the choice of modifying and improving when we replace it. If that means leather seats, metallic paint and a rally type front spoiler then so be it. We'd have to be really daft to fit a combination of items that would devalue the standard car.

My modified car is so much more rewarding to drive than my original 7. I just wish I had the funds and time to make it more presentable. Working abroad for 18 months didn't help either.

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Postby busheytrader » 04 Feb 2009 03:00

Steve,

aren't those Speke wheel trims on your DHC?

My Canley built DHC was one of the early ones and had standard wheels with plain grey trims that covered the whole rim.

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Postby tr7inc » 04 Feb 2009 07:57

Hi Adam, my 7 is difficult to sus because appartly my car was one of 2 that BL used to launch the DHC in the UK it was the press car , and in Inca yellow also, was only 2 originals but dont quote me on that one, so there was a few changes here and there and being a 79 model, it was kind of inbetween the chnge from early to late, but on the Certificate i have thats the wheels that it stated it was fitted with, i would have thought the Factory Alloys wouldve been but it says not.

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Postby john » 05 Feb 2009 13:54

which looking at all this begs another question

some of us would keep any car original... BUT even if i did have a TR2 or 6 would i ....... no personally i would't how cool would a TR2 look with some nice alloys and sporting a v8 under the Hood

perhaps not any bodywork mods but i'm sure in reality the guys who have modified their cars would do to almost any car they owned..

Go on admit it

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Postby paul w » 05 Feb 2009 16:43

For me,owning a car is all about enjoying the individuality of something
unusual.As Adam said,if wedges were worth money standard,we'd all be
5h1t scared of modding a dedent one-for instance a UK TR8 should not
be seriously tweeked outwardly as they are rare as hens teeth!Yet the
TR7 is becoming scarcer,esp'good'uns.So why no real appreciation in
monetary value?O.K.we all cherish our cars and probably over value them
but the classic'ol git,down the pub enthusiast will always under value
a seven"'cos they're all 5h1te"as he is predjudiced and mis informed.
I would never own a TR6 or a Stag because 1.they dont do it for me.
2.would you dare put Carlos Fandango wheels and a bloomin'great wing
on the boot lid.and finally,3.the owners of these old bangers generally
consider us wedge lovers as second rate classic car citizens-NOT all-
just most that i ever am unlucky enough to meet!
No,i love the wedge,i love the universal dislike,i love the fact that
if you want,you can do so much to it.
I allways wanted a Countach,not the early LP400,the larger than life
LP500 quatrovalvo with the huge wing and massive flares and spats,so
my Wedges are as near as i'll ever get in this lifetime!It's the shape,
the fact that you can drop bigger lumps/brakes/axles etc.in to make
your car so individual.Yes i love cars like Chris's pristine examples,
but ultimately i covet cars like Waynes red Grinnall,and yours John!
The green monster is my Countach and its worth a million quid to me -
esp'tho i'm still 'between jobs'!So i say to you all,relish in the
fact that you are allways likely to be the 'black sheep'(or an ASBO-
as the register cat called my 4.6)in the eyes of most ol git down the
pub types,and stick another spoiler on if you want.
Sorry for the rant and going a bit off topic,but i met one of those
ol git types today in an MGC -complimented him on his car-and
when he enquired as to what i had,he shook his head and said" rather
you than me mate!" I just turned the other cheek and walked away.Must
be getting soft in my old age!

See ya. Paul


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Postby Sal » 05 Feb 2009 17:40

Paul,

I couldn't have put it better myself - thankfully, the old gits are becoming rarer and there are more people who appreciate the wedge!

Like you I love the fact that they have never been really popular, and some people seem to look down on Grinnalls - I would hate it if they ever became poular like the MGB!

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Postby john » 05 Feb 2009 19:21

REBELS WITH A CAUSE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US EH! [:D]

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Postby PeterTR7V8 » 05 Feb 2009 19:58

Well said Paul! That got the orchestra stirred up.

I haven't encountered any derision from owners of earlier TR owners but mostly because I haven't met any because their cars never come out of the garage I suspect. There was a racing TR3 at the last track day but it didn't turn a wheel as far as I could see. My wedge attracts nothing but praise from fellow car nuts (with the exception of the unusual cooling mods) especially since the paint job & way more than my GT6 ever did. I don't think originality is as much of an issue in NZ as it is in the UK.

Anyway, is there any mass-produced model that has had a better than 5-10% survival rate after 30 years?

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