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Anyone ever fit a wing to a FHC??

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Postby Hasbeen » 27 Oct 2008 03:48

That one above, on car No 153, with its slotted flap design, should
really work, with out generating too much drage. Probably worth
while for serious competition.

I am not a fan for road driving. They will not work at anything like
legal speed, & attract too much unwanted legal type attention.
Besides, my second 7 came with one, & the water getting in, past the
bolts, had caused so much rust, that I found it easier to replace,
rather than repair, the boot lid.

The F1 that I raced was the last of the "unspoiled" Brabhams. The
next car produced had wings & spoilers, as did the same production
model Lotus, [a 39 I think].

The 4 top cars in Oz that year were an FVA Mc Larran, my Brabham, &
a new Lotus, & a new Brabham, the 2 latter with wings. With the
wings, thay had a little [about 25 BHP] more power, which seemed to
be absorbed by their wings, as they had very little on us down a
straight, & nothing I could detect around corners.

Their bigger drag allowed us to get a tow from a little further back
than we could from other cars, with out wings, right up to
approaching 180 MPH. Brabham offered us a wing kit for ours, but I
did not think it made enough improvement, then in those early days
of downforce, & the car owner was happy to save the money.

At Bathurst, in those days, there was a second "hump", where the
chase now is. The F1s had to slow to between 155, & 160 MPH to take
it, or we got airborne, long enough to over rev our engines. The
winged cars could not go any faster here either. A Ferrari P4, & a
couple of Trans Am [Can Am?] sports cars could take it at about 165/170 MPH
due to their body shape induced downforce, but a bloke in a Lotus
19B was killed that year, when he flipper over backwards, trying to
follow them, at that speed. When another bloke was killed the next
year, they added the chase, to make it safer. I have always thought
it a bit silly to have safe, & motor racing, in the same sentence.

I do go on, don't I, sorry about that, chief.

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Postby omichaelshar » 27 Oct 2008 05:43

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... but none of the rally cars had any wing or spoiler arrangement.
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I recall seeing homolgation papers for a roof wing/spoiler and have seen period pics of this applied to both track and rally cars.

Group 44 appears to have used it at some stage, but perhaps dropped it for some reason.

Does anyone have any further knowledge regarding this add on?

Some pics of what I refer to follows:
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The most radical wing I have seen on a rally car is the following:
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Peter, what does the MR2 wing look like? Can yoo post a pic?

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Postby Wayne S » 27 Oct 2008 06:58

Im pretty sure that you would never be driving a road OR rally car in anything like the conditions of speed required to make a downforce wing on the rear make any difference. Therefore its going to be ineffective and only a matter of taste rather than handling improvement. Also a top wing will have little effect unless the airflow UNDER the car is treated as well and to do that you will need to fit front and rear splitter pan's.

My V8 Grinnall has one, not sure what its off but doesnt make any difference to handling either.

So just a matter of taste and personality....

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Red 4.0 Litre V8 DHC Grinnall (with huuuuuge arches...!)
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Postby PeterTR7V8 » 27 Oct 2008 09:04

That big winged rally car is unique & I don't like the roof spoilers much. This is what mine looks like:

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and this video shows it better

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wALGc0x2KJo

But it is no longer attached as of this afternoon.

I totally agree that for road use a wing is pointless and in fact it is probably detrimental to fuel economy. That's why I thought about having some kind of temporary arrangement for club days at the track - maybe about 7 days in a year.

As usual I'm looking to have my cake & eat it too.

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Postby tr8 » 27 Oct 2008 11:55

I am pretty sure that the Group 44 cars were tested in a wind tunnel. I think there is an article that mentions it. The roof one on the 42 car is the same as the GRoup 44 one also.

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Postby tr8 » 27 Oct 2008 12:00

Here is a picture of a factory Viper that races in the same class as the red TR7 with the 350 Chev in it. Spoiler must work.

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Postby PeterTR7V8 » 27 Oct 2008 17:46

I think the thing on the back of the viper is a wing. It's purpose is to create downforce. What the Group 44 car has is a spoiler which aims to cancel the lift that is created by the air flowing over the roof creating a vacuum behind the rear window. It would be the near vertical spoiler that I would want on my car on race day.

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