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WOW, that was a big one.

Postby Hasbeen » 19 May 2008 07:45

40 years ago, less a few months I had a big loose.

I was driving a V12 GTB Ferrari in the 1968 Surfers Paradise 12
hour sports car race. In the dark, at about 7.00 PM, as I went
through the 125 MPH sweeper at the end of the main straight, I found
some of the 3 gallons of oil the car infront of me spread around the
racing line, when one of his con rods came out through the bottom
of his sump. I spun it, of course.

According to one of the magazines, someone counted my headlights
12 times, as they spun past. I don't know, I was not counting.
According to one of the flag marshals, the car stayed on the
bitumen, spinning for 300 yards, before I drove it off the track on
the inside, to make sure I didn't drift off & hit a rolled car, on
the outside, some distance after the corner.

It took some time to find the starter button, in the dark, but the
car restarted, no trouble, & I went on, & won my class.

Well, Saturday afternoon, on my way home, from a Triumph club run, I
had another one.

There has been much controversy about "Stone Mastic" a new type of
bitumen they are using on some expressways in Queensland. It's
supposed to be very Slippery when wet, & some people have been
killed in big smashes. It certainly makes a great road in the dry.
Its smooth, quiet, grippy, & well drained, but it may have given me
a "moment".

The road is a 4 lane main road, elevated 4Ft above the coastal
wastlands, with a 20 degree slope down to the plain.

It had been raining very heavily, with the traffic down to about
70Km [45MPH] in a 110 zone, due to visibility. It was still raining,
but not too much, & the traffic was cruising at about 115Km, no
problem. The only car within 150 yards of me was one to my left,
about 3 car lenghts in front of me. The road was flat, straight, &
we were just cruising, with very little throttle, & there was no
standing water on the road.

I think I must have hit an oil patch, because the back just started
to come around to the right. Nothing I did had any effect on it. It
took for ever, [quite a few seconds] for the car to get sideways,
[90 degrees to the direction of travel]. At 30 meters per second
thats about 150 meters, & I was still in the same lane, just
sideways. I must have declutched, as the engine did not stall, & I
probably braked, but I don't remember.

I now started to move to the left, & felt like I was actually
gaining on the car in front. The car had now swnng about 200
degrees, & was heading backwards, off the road, at about 20 degrees
to it, still doing about 90Km, [about 50+ MPH]. I let go the brakes,
& tried to steer it, backwards, down the slope, at that fine angle.
I succeeded, until I got to the soggy flat, where the back dug in a
bit, & the front swung back, hard enough to drive grass under the
bead of the tyre, between it & the rim.

Over all, I reckon it slid over 400 yards. A number of cars had
stopped to see the fun, & appeared a bit disappointed, when I stuck
the thing in gear, & managed to drive off, along a muddy access
track at the bottom of the elevation.

No other cars lost it, while I was there, so why did mine? I have no
idea why the thing lost traction, but I'm going to replace my 10
year old back tyres, this week, just in case they are the problem.

I had a flat about 50Km later, but that was probably from the 3 Km
of off roaring I had to do, before I could get back on the road.
I then drove a the remaining 80Km home, & can see no damage to
the car, but will have a look under here, when I get the new back
tyres, this week.

Hasbeen

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Postby omichaelshar » 19 May 2008 08:34

Hasbeen,

All sounds very exciting, but weird.

I would check condition of rear bushes to see if the diff has potential for lateral movement.

Glad it all came to nought and that you could continue home. Is it possible that the flat later was related - ie, sudden loss of tyre pressure?

Owen

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Postby Hasbeen » 19 May 2008 11:30

Hi Owen, its the sort of excitement I can do without.

Yes, my first thought was flat tyre, but after I got back to the
bitumen, I had a look around the car, & could see no problem, & no
flat, or low tires. It was still raining quite a bit, so I may have
been a bit less than through.

I can find nothing wrong with the car. I had a pretty good look,
when I washed the mud out from under her. I'll be fitting new
205 65 R13 rears on wednesday. Much as I loved the 10 year old
Bridgestones on the back, in the dry, I think they may have got so
hard, there was just no grip in the wet, on that extra smooth road.

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Postby jclay (RIP 2018) » 19 May 2008 12:33

Glad you and the car are OK, Hasbeen!

The lower part of our Main Street was replaced about 5 years ago from two lane black top to a 4 lane elevated concrete road with a slight right turning embankment where it changes direction. I have warned my daughter to be careful when taking the left curve coming to the right turning embankment as just about 200 yards before is a section that always has a thin layer of water when it rains. I have seen about 8 cars take that sweeping left too fast, hydroplane and go directly into the concrete retaining wall.

Shades of Ham at Lemans in the Green Helmet!

Have fun, drive fast & safe, be kewl,

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Postby gairo1 » 19 May 2008 13:46

Yes, glad to hear nothing happened to you.

Which bit of road was it Hasbeen?

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Postby Hasbeen » 19 May 2008 14:27

Hi gairo 1, it was on some of that great road, just south of the
pine plantations, but before you get into the built up stuff.

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Postby Beans » 19 May 2008 17:58

Well most importantly no one was hurt and the car wasn't damaged.
Maybe a few extra grey hairs for you [:D]

Smooth asfalt can be very slippery when wet, especially when it's been dry for a while. 10 year old tyres won't help very much under these conditions.

Although for the rear to break out in this way would have me under the car to check a few things like collapsed bearing are seized rear brake ...

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Postby TR Tony » 19 May 2008 19:35

Scary moment Hasbeen, pleased to read that you & the car are pretty much unscathed.

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Postby Hasbeen » 19 May 2008 23:38

Thanks for the kind words everyone.

That was my thought Beans.
With the Ferrari, there were six other cars that joined me in the
shurbbery.

In this one, it was just me. No other cars had an obvious problem,
so the cause is down to my car. I've had a pretty good look at
everything, & found nothing. Thats why I'm fitting new tyres, as its
the last thing I can think of to blame.

I don't see how I can blame the loose nut behind the steering wheel,
1/ Because it would do my ego no good at all.
2/ Because I really was a passenger in this one.

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Postby gairo1 » 20 May 2008 06:21

Hasbeen,

Oh the newish bit, yes I have been along there in the wet (not in the TR) and understand what you mean by slippery.

Have to say it's better than the concrete stuff we have here on the south side. Road noise is aweful.

In my limited time in the TR a few weeks ago tailgating was my issue, all the "interested" drives come right up your backside!

Cheers, Jerry

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Postby Rayjones » 20 May 2008 07:17

Old rubber can be lethal, I saw a pal of mine come off his Triumph (motorbike) through a corner in front of me, I fully expected to go the same way on my Velo as I was behind him doing the same speed. I had no problems, he luckily was not hurt, we could find no problems with the road, it was just the fact that he had an old tyre fitted at the front which was unworn but we knew was very old stock.

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Postby Rich in Vancouver » 21 May 2008 04:16

Back in 1979 I put an MGB-GT off the road in a similar fashion. I was in Manitoba on the Canadian prairie, the weather was about -20F, clear dry road. I was rounding a gentle level curve at 80MPH when I hit black ice. The back end came slowly around and I saw a steel reflector post approaching the driver's door in slow motion. As the car left the road backwards I slid under the dash and closed my eyes. After much banging and bumping the car came to a stop and I looked around not knowing if I had rolled the car. As it turned out it had stayed upright and had missed the post and had come to rest about 50 yards into a wheat field. The highways department came by and pulled me out and I went on my way (slower) none the worse for wear with the exception of a missing exhaust system.
It was a thrill but i'm not eager to try it again.
I'm glad you came out alright (both times!) Hasbeen!

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Postby Hasbeen » 21 May 2008 09:49

Rich, I think my recent loose was probably a lot like yours.

I have never struck ice, & have only driven in snow a couple of
dozen times. Its about 1800 Km to find much snow here.

Howerer, I have seen TV footage of cars totally out of control, at
very low speeds, on ice, with the tail coming around very slowly.

It was how slowly it happened that I found so amazing, that, & the
complete lack of response to any correction I applied.

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Postby andyf » 22 May 2008 09:58

I had a scary moment only a few weeks ago in the wet, when coming onto a dual carriageway off a roundabout at a normal speed, the back end suddenly stepped out and I only just caught it and it fishtailed a couple of times before I got it under control. Fortunately I stayed on the road and there was no one else in the other lane.
But the thing is, my tyres must be about 10 years old, so maybe it may be wise for me to replace them as there didn`t appear to be any other noticeable problems when I checked.

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Postby TR Tony » 22 May 2008 12:23

When I first got my FHC it was standing on it's original factory fitted Goodyear tyres. They had loads of tread & no signs of cracking or perishing, so I drove the car around with those tyres for a while, but I had this nagging doubt about the age - 23 years old at that time!

They never gave me a scary moment but I decided to change them anyway. When I went to the local tyre depot, the guy said to me "You have loads of tread, why do you want to change them?" Then he saw the date code on the side wall & said "Ah, OK, I see, it would be illegal for us to sell a tyre that old."

Probably stating the obvious but the rubber compound does deteriorate with time, & the first you may know about it is a reduction in grip at a critical time.

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