Wedge KM http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumph_TR7

[omichaelshar]

Guys

Following recent dialog you probably noticed I believe in the principles behind the public web and open source.

I am very willing to contribute to aid the development of knowledge management to support preservation of our beloved wedges.

I would like propose that contributors to this forum support this occurring in the public domain, preferably through the wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumph_TR7. We need <i>a single point of truth</i> for our cars.

Hope you agree and would appreciate your suggestions in this regard.
Owen

[Beans]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Century Gothic, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by omichaelshar</i>

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In a perfect world that would be a good idea. But sadly that won't be obtainable as there will always be people who don't want to share their knowledge with others. Or ask money for it. And they might even have good reasons for that [}:)]

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<font color="blue"><i>1981 TR7 FHC Sprint (better known as 't Kreng)
1981 TR7 DHC (not very well known yet, but back on the road)
Also a 1980 TR7 DHC, 1980 TR7 DHC FI, 1981 TR7 FHC
http://tr7beans.blogspot.com/</i></font id="blue"></center>

[Beans]

mmm ... more then 100 people read this thread and nobody dared commenting on it [?] [;)]

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<font color="blue"><i>1981 TR7 FHC Sprint (better known as 't Kreng)
1981 TR7 DHC (not very well known yet, but back on the road)
Also a 1980 TR7 DHC, 1980 TR7 DHC FI, 1981 TR7 FHC
http://tr7beans.blogspot.com/</i></font id="blue"></center>

[Underdog]

How's that joke go?

For Sale: One complete set Encylopedia Britanica. No longer needed.
*&%^*$ Wife knows everything![:D][:D][:D]

72 MGB BRG
80 TR8 Persian Aqua
If women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy.

[flynns tr 7]

i dont think thier is any need for another break away forum.To try to get a "single point of truth" would not happen here in the uk .i have worked within the industry for well over 26 years and have probably commented i have done pre delivery inspections on tr's when they where brand new.The saying MUD STICKS unfortunatley applies to tr7's due to poor build quality and reliabilty.Most of my colleges who have also worked in the industry allways comment on how poor they where.So to change public opinion is i think a lost cause.You will either love them or hate them.Usually us devoted owners love them and i don't think i need another type of forum whether it be free or i have to pay to convince me.This forum is free and any information given is down to yourself to use it to help you get out of a problem particualy if you have limited mechanical experience.If i had to pay to join some type of info club i personnely would want some kind of reconpense for the information i was giving out.

[Rconnew]

omichaelshar,

Good luck with your project, genuinely pleased to see you are now trying to do something positive for the TR7. Now you will discover first hand just how hard and often thankless a task it can be. Regrettably there are many many unfinished TR7 web sites out there all of which set of with the very best of intentions but slowly and surely all ground to a halt. I await your results with great interest particularly the rush of people offering to, and actually helping out. Perhaps the World Wide TR7 TR8 Owners Club site will no longer be needed and I can save some time and money

Richard

[jclay (RIP 2018)]

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[andyf]

Interesting discussion. I do tend to agree with Beans that the web is for sharing knowledge and helping people out without looking for financial reward. However, if somebody like Richard chooses to charge for access to their website, then that is their prerogative. We are not, after all, forced to pay for it, in the same way that we are not forced to pay for a car magazine for example, when we can get the same information for free elsewhere.

However, if I may be so bold, Richard, I did find your post in the other thread a little antagonistic; "Guys, what have you ever done for the TR7/8". On this site certainly, people on here have done a lot for the TR7/8 as they have helped me out greatly in the past when I have needed help, and I try to reciprocate when my limited knowledge allows.

I am not on one side or the other here really, I am just putting my feelings down as I see it. Anybody contributing to either of these sites, or any others, have helped raise the profile of our cars, and really, life is too short to worry about who has done what. Let`s just all be grateful that there are people that are willing to contribute to raising the profile of our cars and share their knowledge, no matter how they choose to do it.

P.S. Sorry it`s a bit of an essay!


1980 persian aqua DHC

[Rconnew]

Andy,
You are right possibly I wasn't clear enough. What I mean is many TR clubs are desperately short on articles on the TR7 TR8 because people simply won't spend time and effort documenting what they have done and so it can be printed in the various magazines etc. Then I constantly see people moaning on forums this club and that club are rubbish because they don’t do anything on the TR7 TR8. We really have come to a point in time where owners really do need to actively help out with articles etc or there won’t be anything for owners in the future. As a start I now have an open collaboration article’s section which you can find here http://tr7-tr8.com/CLUB/index.php?cat=9 this is open to all and WILL REMAIN SO ALWAYS. Clubs can then print these articles and owners can freely download them and hard copies of all of this information and other club information exists just in case. Sure posting on a forum helps people and for the most part is quick and easy which I guess is why people use them. Unfortunately if this forum gets hit by one of the particularly nasty porno merchants Viagra etc then it’s contents will be destroyed! As Jay will tell you, it will happen as these nasty pieces of work get smarter and smarter in how they take web sites over, the question is not if but when. Sure if you have a backup things can be recovered but not without a great deal of work and effort on behalf of Jay in this case. What happens when Jay is too busy to spend time maintaining the site because his family take priority as they should? Or he sells his TR’s and moves on to another type of car? Sites like this are very attractive to the nasty porno merchants Viagra etc because they can force download all sorts of nasties onto lots of peoples PC’s all at the same time. I am an ex soldier and a Yorkshire man to boot so some folk will find me hard and abrupt. That is just the way I am, however the plus side is when others give up I never do which is good news for the next generation of TR7 TR8 owners. Lastly the web costs a lot of money to run like it or not and that money has to come from somewhere. Where do you all think the web severs, server software, switches, fibre optic, routers etc etc all come from? They are not FREE someone has to pay for them! Shouldn’t you guys be offering to make a donation or two to Jay because it’s costing him too!
Richard


Richard Connew
Black TR7V8 DHC 1981
Silver TR8 Efi DHC 1981

[andyf]

I don`t really disagree with anything you have said. However, when it comes to forums and websites such as Jays, I tend to think of them as a group of people with the same interests getting together to help each other out, and the thought of payment really does not enter my mind. If I had had to pay to join this forum, I would not have joined, not because I am tight (honest) but because I would not know what I was getting for my money; but if Jay asked for donations now, I personally would look favourably at it because of the huge benefits I have gained.

As I jointly run another website/forum (ignoring my business ones), I am aware of the costs involved. However, we do it because of our enthusiasm for what we are involved in (carnivals), and as far as I am concerned, it would not cross my mind to ask for donations because it was our choice to set the site up (and i`m not sure how successful the appeal would be anyway[:)]).

I can`t assume Jay thinks the same way as me obviously, but if you are enthusiastic about something, you do tend to just do it as I am sure you know.

Again, I reiterate that if people want to charge, and others are willing to pay, then I see nothing wrong with that. It`s all down to personal choice at the end of the day.


1980 persian aqua DHC

[Rconnew]

Andy,
Problem with asking for money towards costs when you do something like this is that really you only have one shot at it when you set it up, otherwise if you ask later it's a bit like begging and folk will immediately think you are trying to make a fast buck. So it is unlikely Jay will ever ask for that reason, but given you guys have clearly got great value from the site you could always offer something. I guess we sort of agree anyway.

Richard



Richard Connew
Black TR7V8 DHC 1981
Silver TR8 Efi DHC 1981

[moestr7v8]

Richard and Andy
As this site is shared by TRDC of which I am a member and for which I pay an annual membership,I am also a member of Richards club,is anything paid by TRDC to Jay for use of this forum?
Just a thought.[8D]
Regards Moe

[john]

It is my belief that this forum is not affiliated with any Club, which is one of the reasons it thrives, as my past experience on other forums have shown.

They are very opinionated on their club,Cars and other clubs.

In no way do you get the vibe as you do with this forum that everyone on here are like good mates you can have differences of opinions and disagreement on issues but we all stay freinds.

we have a joke as well as sharing invaluable advise.

This is the one forum where there seems very little need to be policed, looking at the various other forums i can see that the "Gods" that run it will pull articles becuase they may offend.

I'm sure we would not be having this discussion on other forums.

I find Richards site a very good data base and for the penny's it costs i tend to join it when i want the infomation it holds and then the following year i don't, my choice.

i appreciate what he has done for the TR7-8 name and wish he didn't charge, but he dose it's his site his choice and our choice to join or not

For the record if someone said what's the best resource for the TR7 it's this site here, every time. opinions from around the world. not becuase it's free. Because of the enthusiasm that runs through it's pages.

As far as Clubs go and this will upset some but it's ineviatable and that all clubs will have to support each others events to survive.

The good news is at local level this is already happening. I didn't particulary agree with Richard joining up with the Register and not staying independant as that looked suspect to me. but then i'm from an age when there was. avid rivarlry from the too main Tr clubs.

But time has passed and the thoughts are back with the car's rather than the individuals or the groups,

Long live all the clubs and all the forums. choice is good If someone takes the time to organise something. Support it.

who really cares if it was Club Triumph, Tr Drivers, Tr Register, Richard, jay, John with his DVD or any body else.

oh and one other observation this forum shouts out that the people who own these cars do just that we enjoy owning and driving them

"this has not been a party political broadcast on behalf of the Triumph movemnt" [:D] just my opinion



[8 whole cylinders worth of punch to ram the world through the windshield and out the rear view mirror. Car & Driver]
1981 Grinnall TR7 v8
1981 Black FHC
1979 & 1980 Black Premium FHC(laid to rest) Sorry


John

[MickeyR]

[quote]<i>Originally posted by john</i>

This is the one forum where there seems very little need to be policed, looking at the various other forums i can see that the "Gods" that run it will pull articles becuase they may offend.

I'm sure we would not be having this discussion on other forums.

John
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Hi, John -

As one of the "Gods" (Thank you, by the way, but I'm far from that - just ask my wife! [;)] ),on one of the other forums, I can tell you that it was set up under some definite guidelines, and flame wars were to be avoided at all costs. I have pulled some posts with which I frankly had no particular problem, but they set off a "discussion" that got ugly.

This is a great forum, but one with a fairly narrow, mostly homogeneous audience. Ours includes all manner of British cars, and has a huge number of participants, so the likelihood of an unpleasant situation, even one that is started innocently, is much greater.

And, yes, we've had this particular discussion quite often. The folks who don't agree with our philosophy move on. Curiously, though, many have returned. Either way, the forum is a private venture, and the owner sets the rules, just like this one.

My thanks to Jay for providing this great service!

Mickey

[jclay (RIP 2018)]

Gee, I think what Owen was talking about was to get more information about TR7/8s out to the world in general. By adding to the general knowledge of our cars on Wikipedia, more people could see it and become interested it them and maybe help save more of them.

This Forum serves people who already know about TR7/8s and although many members do own other LBC, ours is a really limited group of society. We do welcome anyone who is interested in TR7/8s, but we don't go out and try to recruit the general public, in fact I believe they search us out.

We are open to talking about suppliers and service groups here. If it does become a financial problem for the owners of this site, then I would not object to having paid advertising here form our support companies. Actually, we are the best advertisers most of them have as we discuss parts, service and suppliers all the time, but it is up to the individual to select whom they wish to do business with.

I know, I know, TR7/8s get a bad rap from the other Triumph owners, but it is because they have never even sat it one, realized how roomy they are and had one trounce them on an auto-cross course. You see, the other Triumph are owned by really fanatic people who are consumed by their TR2 - 6s and not really opened to looking a a better car.

Ok, duck and cover time!

Have fun, drive fast & safe, be kewl,

jclay