sharing books ???

Marko · Postby **Marko** » 15 Jan 2009 07:42

hello

got one question

whats the forum's policy on distribution of copyrighted material?

i have lots of books on the topics of vehicles and mechanics of vehicles , that would help a lot to someone who is working on restoring a rustbucket like our TR7/8's

books like

http://www.amazon.com/Repair-Vehicle-Bo ... 183&sr=1-1

http://www.amazon.com/Automobile-Electr ... 728&sr=1-7

and so on

since im young an my policy is : " if i got it for free you haven't invested enough effort to protect it

"

omichaelshar · Postby **omichaelshar** » 15 Jan 2009 08:12

Hi Marko,

I am a strong supporter of "open" everything. But tend to take the view that if an individual or organisation produced something of real value for the community with the intent of commercial gain then I should not blatantly rip them off.

To say another way - don't get caught!

If you want to share do it in the private space.

Hope this makes sense to you.

Owen

Odd · Postby **Odd** » 15 Jan 2009 09:38

Basic statement: Information wants to be free!

But:
For those of us living in countries where copyright infringement laws are actively upheld [=at least the
entire EU area, NA and Oz+NZ] by interested parties it might end up VERY costly to knowingly and widely
making public material that is copyrighted. So, I wouldn't do it if I were you, not on a forum like this.
(And within not a too distant time it might be costly in Croatia as well... If you still want to do it:
do it on/from a server sitting in Russia or some other state where copyright is just another word...)

gordon kerr · Postby **gordon kerr** » 15 Jan 2009 11:33

Marko, your post makes me both sad and angry at the same time

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">got one question - whats the forum's policy on distribution of copyrighted material?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
It is not a question of forum policy it is a question of the law which (at least in the country in which this forum is hosted) makes the free distribution of copyright material illegal

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">i have lots of books on the topics of vehicles and mechanics of vehicles , that would help a lot to someone who is working on restoring a rustbucket like our TR7/8's <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Speak for yourself my TR7 and 8 are not (and I hope never will be) rustbuckets!

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">books like .... since im young an my policy is : " if i got it for free you haven't invested enough effort to protect it

"<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
So you are saying the because you are young and because you can it's OK to steal other peoples work and give it all away. Personally, I don't find either of those acceptable excuses to break the law!

Sorry if this response comes over as harsh bur your suggested action could subject not only yourself but also those who run this forum for nothing for all our benefit to legal action.

It is one thing to assist people with specific questions by using information you might have available to you - as we all do all the time - but quite another to suggest making the whole content of books and manuals publicly available.

Gordon
GRD 1980 Brooklands Green 2l FHC
OVC 1980 Platinum Silver 3.9l V8 FHC
Bedford, UK.

John Clancy · Postby **John Clancy** » 15 Jan 2009 15:37

I'm with Gordon on this one. I can't tell you how distressing it was when the 'Bullet' DVD was ripped off by someone trying to make a few quid when I'd sunk so much money and time into it. He sold 9 illegal copies before he was caught (and flogged!).

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Rblackadar · Postby **Rblackadar** » 15 Jan 2009 19:14

Hey John,can I still get that DVD for my player here in the states???? I'm still kicking myself in the butt for not getting it. Thanks! -Bob

FI Spyder · Postby **FI Spyder** » 15 Jan 2009 21:25

While you shouldn't say photo copy a page and post from a copyrighted book there is nothing to stop you from disseminating knowledge you have gained from reading a book and relaying the gained knowledge to others reguardless whether you paid for the book or you found it in someones trash bin.

While it is tempting and pervasive, what with all the copying of tunes and films off the internet either from pirate sites or legitimate free promotional sites, it is morally wrong not to mention legally wrong to do so if it's copywrited and author doesn't intend that to happen.

That said on the other side of the coin does that mean you can't show the book to your friends to read and use (they don't pay for it) or how about a library that lends out the book to hundreds with out them paying for the privelidge? (Time to wax philosophical here.)

I'm proud to say I paid for my copy of Project Bullet from the source and although I've shown it to about half a dozen people I've also promoted it at our club meetings (although without result probably).

TR7 Spider - 1978 Spifire - 1976 Spitfire - 1988 Tercel 4X4 - Kali on Integra - 1991 Integra

paul w · Postby **paul w** » 15 Jan 2009 21:54

different story,but same difference -
In the Telegraph today i read that a garage in Witham,Essex has been
told by the Performing rights society that they cannot listen to the
radio at work unless they pay Â£44 + vat for a license!!The mechanics
cannot even listen to the radios in the cars that they are servicing!

"Mr.Attwood,61,said he had been forced to put up a sign warning
customers to turn off their music when they drove into the premises."
"Its total madness"he said."The radio stations are paying to play
the music and we have to pay to listen to it - they are taking with
both hands."

Hope the Telegraph dont persue me over this quote!
the worlds gone to the dogs...etc...etc...

See ya. Paul

Workshop Help · Postby **Workshop Help** » 15 Jan 2009 22:19

As one who, on occasion, composes original articles for this forum, I do this for the 'good of the community'. These original articles are solely intended to be used for their practical content by those who view this site. No original compositions should ever be purloined and used for profit or claimed ownership, regardless of who penned them first.

That said, should one wish to share the posted information, please do. Just be sure to credit the author and website or publication where the article came from in the form of an ibid or vebally mention it when speaking to others. It's really very simple and quite the polite thing to do. Were you not taught this in school?

This is not a new concept, rather it predates all of us now living and was carved in the stone tablets of legislation long ago.

Mildred Hargis

jclay (RIP 2018) · Postby **jclay (RIP 2018)** » 16 Jan 2009 00:39

Mildred,

I don't know if you have noticed, but I did reproduce your article on the sun visors, in total, on the Technical web site and credited you as the author.

jclay

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omichaelshar · Postby **omichaelshar** » 16 Jan 2009 06:19

Dear Mildred Hargis,

I love your writing and the way you contribute here.

You are an inspiration to me through this and charge my imagination.

You seem somewhat mythic. And this is lovely idea to me.

Owen

John Clancy · Postby **John Clancy** » 16 Jan 2009 09:15

Bob, probably best to email me about an NTSC copy of 'Bullet'. Somewhere in the States there is a dealer selling them but I don't know who or where they are.

FI Spyder, thank you for getting the DVD seen. Even if only an extra half a dozen people have viewed it at least it gets the TR7 and TR8 promoted and that is where the DVD has been rather successful. Just about all the classic car journalists have seen it and it's resulted in some good publicity for our cars. It also turned Harris Mann into a bit of a celebrity and he was subsequently featured in two of the major classic car journals here in the UK (one of these interviews was actually set up by myself - well, I got the two parties together anyway!).

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Wayne S · Postby **Wayne S** » 16 Jan 2009 14:00

All things like this should be organised at personal risk to individuals offline and elsewhere from this forum. The last thing we want is the publishers to issue a cease and dessist on this forum - forcing it to close.

As for rustbuckets - speak for yourself mate!

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Workshop Help · Postby **Workshop Help** » 16 Jan 2009 14:16

Sir,

In fact, I did not.

And therein lies the crux of this entire conversation and, indeed, the concept of intellectual property ownership in this brave new internet world. When information is on the printed page, far more effort is/was required to physically move it from one place to another. But, in the here and now, it's just a matter of click & paste, presto-change-o, here it is and now it's there. 'Laws and polite conventions be damned, if it's on the screen, it's mine.'

So, that being the case/common conception, are we as the brave new denizens of the connected world also going to condemn to the trash can that binder of civilization known as polite manners? Do we now grab an image or sound or prose without so much as a by-your-leave? Apparently, there are many out there who do so without benefit of conscience.

My late nephew was a stickler for copyrighting all his writings as a formality. At my stage of life, I see clearly that bad comes to those to do bad, as well as good to those who do good. Is it a bad thing to mess with other peoples property without asking permission first? In my eyes, yes it is.

Sir, I really think it would have been a good thing to at least ask me first before you did what you did. After all, if Caleb had walked into your garage and 'borrowed' your lawn mower, then told you about it in an offhand matter later, would that have been the right thing to do?

Please, just ask first. Politeness always is the better way.

Mildred Hargis

ngtf · Postby **ngtf** » 16 Jan 2009 17:06

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by paul w

different story,but same difference -
In the Telegraph today i read that a garage in Witham,Essex has been
told by the Performing rights society that they cannot listen to the
radio at work unless they pay Â£44 + vat for a license!!The mechanics
cannot even listen to the radios in the cars that they are servicing!

"Mr.Attwood,61,said he had been forced to put up a sign warning
customers to turn off their music when they drove into the premises."
"Its total madness"he said."The radio stations are paying to play
the music and we have to pay to listen to it - they are taking with
both hands."

Hope the Telegraph dont persue me over this quote!
the worlds gone to the dogs...etc...etc...

See ya. Paul

<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Hi Paul

Does this also mean then that we won't have to listen to crappy music whilst on hold on the phone and "elevator" music will soon be a thing of the past?

I wonder how the performing arts society would behave if all the mechanics in that Witham garage turned on their own car radio's, tuned into the same radio station. Would that be considered public broadcasting ar listening to their own personal property?

Gary

Eeyore rides again !!

EOR14W - Persian Aqua 2L Dhc, Now rebuilt and looking lovely - Sprint engine now fitted!

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