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Postby PeterTR7V8 » 18 Feb 2009 09:59

First impressions, the GTech requires a bit of calibrating & lot of manual studying before you hit the road. The only external data it needs is the vehicle weight but there are different techniques for getting different data so you don't do a HP test the same way you do a 0-60 test.

I managed to try a couple of 0-60 runs on the way home from club night tonight & with the car full of junk & driver full of dinner I did a 7.8sec run from the side of the road. I'd expect to lower that to less than 7 in race trim but it will be fun finding out.

I still haven't managed to weigh the car yet so there's no point in doing a HP run but what I have learnt from the drag info is that it took 1 sec to change up a gear. In each of those 1 sec gaps I stopped accelerating for 0.5 sec. I'm assuming then that if I can change gear in 0.5 sec I can reduce the non-accelerating time in half which would knock over a second off my Manfield lap time - in theory.

I pulled 0.75G in acceleration which makes the 1.5G that the iphone gave the Mini in the Garage419 review a bit suspect. At 60' i he Mini was only 0.1 sec faster than my run.

I'll be trying my best to get the car weighed tomorrow. Work keeps getting in the way [:(!]

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Postby Troy ODoherty » 01 Mar 2009 21:42

Hi Peter whats the verdict?
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Postby PeterTR7V8 » 02 Mar 2009 05:35

Well...

Probably too soon to tell but I can at least assure you that the windscreen mount doesn't fall off if you follow the instructions. It's been stuck there for 2 weeks now & has endured 20 laps, 2 spins & over 1000km touring.

The 0-100km, standing 1/4 & 1/8 function is straight forward & works fine. My current record is 7.0 secs for the 0-100km.

The HP measurement is a bit more problematic. When I got up to the Taupo track on the 21st I tried to use the HP meter function to fine tune the timing. For some reason my motor doesn't have any timing marks so it had been set by ear & felt a bit sluggish so I felt it needed some adjustment. Using a stretch of quiet road next to where the track is I set about finding the best HP reading by doing a run then turning the distributor left or right. I managed to get another 4HP from this process but it was very difficult to be consistant with the runs on one direction tending to get better results than the other. The road looked flat but probably had a slight incline judging by the results.

What was hardest to understand was that the best reading was just 102HP. My last dyno was in September and it was 137. Now, the meter suffers from having to contend with wind resistance while a rolling road dyno doesn't so there is a calculation that uses speed, drag & frontal area to account for that but I could only account for about 12HP lost to aerodynamic influence. Somewhere 23HP was not being measured & this left me a bit confused because my lap times on that day were 2 seconds faster than they were last year. The better times were mostly due to tyres but there is no way I was down 23HP. I need to get an explanation from the makers regarding the HP measurement because that function was a major motivation in buying the GTech.

So finally there is the road race mode. I think this worked really well because I have several sets of data that I can look at & overlay. I have worked out how to mark the lap times within the graph but not how to split off each lap so I can overlay them. Overlaying data sets is easy so I just need to create a separate data set from each lap rather than for the whole session. I've been too pre-occupied with other stuff to master this bit as yet but it wasn't looking like it was something the software wanted you to do.

This kind of analysis would be great but to use it to test modifications would require a lot of organisation & is too complicated to do at the track unless you have someone to do it for you. The last thing I want to do when I come off the track is to fire up the laptop & start thinking deeply. I would need to prepare a test schedule, take all the session readings & have a look at when I got home so for a one-off track day situation it was not of great value.

I like the toy though so I will persevere & use it with the club sprint series at the Manfeild track this year so I can build up a mess of data to show my progress at this one particular track. To be honest, I doubt whether I have the ability to make proper use of all the data but it will come down to how much time I'm willing to put into it.

The main problem I had in using the GTech was that it pushed me over my gadget comprehension threshold (GCT). I had a GPS (to get true speed data), a camera & the GTech in the car & I found that turning everything on at the right time & making sure they were all working while trying to start the race session was too much. Several times I couldn't remember what I had already turned on & so I turned them off again by mistake. I only managed to get one session videoed & GTeched simultaneously. [xx(]

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Postby Bobbieslandy » 10 Oct 2010 14:30

Holy thread revival!!!!

I've just got back from driving around like a loon with a Gtech performance meter / Pro and thought i'd search for 1/4 mile times on here for something to compare mine to and found this! There's a road which is virtually straight and level, is rarely used so stopping with the wheels ahead aiming up the strip was no problem and the results are a little disapointing!

I did 4 timed runs, and averaged the times and speeds and came up with 17.93sec @ 77.55mph. This is standard TR7 territory surely??[V]

Still, i guess it will be easy enough to improve on this considering that at full throttle in 3rd and 4th around 4900-5500 there was a distinct hesitation / lack of power.

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Postby jeffremj » 10 Oct 2010 15:28

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Century Gothic, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by PeterTR7V8</i>

I've just been trawling thru the technical info on the GTech website & I found the formula which you can use to calculate your theoretical top speed.

http://www.gtechprosupport.com/support/ ... s/aero.pdf

With 140HP at the wheels, a drag coefficient of 0.35 (same as quoted for Toyota MR2 wedge) & a roughly calculated frontal area of 21sqft I get a top speed of about 140mph.

141mph = cube root ((140hp x 150,000) / (0.35 x 21))

For a standard UK 2L motor (105hp quoted x 0.85 for transmission loss) it is 120mph, 115mph for Federal (92hp quoted x 0.85). This doesn't take into account tyres or transmission drag etc.

200HP = 160mph & to be able to reach 200mph you'd need about 400HP. Anyone close to that?
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Nice info, I missed this thread.

It coincides with my ball park figure of 140bhp (at engine with around 30bhp transmission loss at high speeds) gives you 130mph max. My V8 with around 130bhp at wheels at high speed should get around 138mph.

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Postby Bobbieslandy » 10 Oct 2010 15:45

I think i'll be lucky if i've got 100bhp!

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Postby jeffremj » 10 Oct 2010 19:28

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Century Gothic, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I think i'll be lucky if i've got 100bhp!<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">If this is at the wheels, that is OK as it gives you 120-130bhp at engine - standard 16V power.

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Postby Bobbieslandy » 10 Oct 2010 21:05

I reckon it's at the flywheel, I've been comparing those figures to other cars and it seems i have the acceleration of a shopping cart[V]

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Postby tencate » 11 Oct 2010 02:57

I've gotten a used one of these from ebay. It's just an accelerometer and matches very well with the 3 axis accelerometer results given by my laptop. For a "cheap gizmo" I was pretty impressed with it actually. But I did only pay $50 for it. Once you get the hang of it, the numbers seem pretty good and consistent.

PLEASE give us a 60 mph to 0 mph *braking* distance? I've gotten 137 feet with stock TR8 brakes and 14 inch wheels and tires. About to go try getting braking distances with another car, a TR8 coupe. Just did actually, with 2 of us in the car and a full trunk and 1/2 tank of gas we got 147 feet on 14 inch wheels and tires on stock TR8 coupe suspension and brakes.

Jim

P.S. I mounted the GTech directly on the speaker grill instead of relying on the cheesy windshield mounting. MUCH more reliable results.

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Postby Shauniedawn » 11 Oct 2010 07:52

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Century Gothic, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Bobbieslandy</i>

........... seems i have the acceleration of a shopping cart[V]

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Maybe it depends on how many pies you've had that day [:p]

Have you had a go with it in your BMW? You should be able to get 'stock' figures for that more readily to see if your meter is recording as you think it should.

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Postby Bobbieslandy » 11 Oct 2010 12:10

Mmmmmmmm Pies[:p] Seriously that's a good point, i didn't think of trying it on the BMW. The guy who lent it to me has (if i remember rightly) a mid nineties pontiac firebird with a traction problem. Or was that too much power? anyway...... last time it was dyno's it was putting out around 400bhp and 400lb/ft and was getting low 13s at the pod. He did say how surprised he was at its accuracy, so i can't imagine it will be that far out on my TR7. But i'm going to use it in the BMW now anyway, just got to drive to the missus's work and swap it for the landy. Man she's going to be pleased when she finds out she's driving that home! [:D]

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Postby Bobbieslandy » 11 Oct 2010 13:51

That meter is pretty damn spot on, the conditions have been the same today and the readings are virtually the same as the mags and write ups suggest..

15.4 96mph
14.92 98.8mph
15.43 94.7mph
15.14 97.6mph
0-60 6.9sec
0-60 6.75

Avg 0-60 6.825sec
Avg ¼ mile 96.775

From what i can gather, the 0-60 time only briefly flashes up during the run and only caught it twice, the rest of the times are shown after the run. Not bad for a Diesel.

The times would of been even quicker if it wasn't for such a slow gearchange, why it thinks that reving the engine to around 4900rpm before changing up is a good idea is anyones guess.

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Postby Shauniedawn » 11 Oct 2010 21:17

I think you need a BMW engine in that old Triumph!

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Postby Bobbieslandy » 12 Oct 2010 21:33

And put the sprint engine in the beemer without telling the missus. she wouldn't ever notice as it never goes above 40mph when she drives.

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Postby Last TR » 14 Oct 2010 04:45

There are some 1/4 mile times and speeds from the Roadster Factory Summer Party in the latest TWOA newsletter. Tim Lanocha's Chevy powered TR8 ran 11.87 seconds at 125.42 mph. Woody Cooper's TR8 ran 12.59 seconds at 112.53 mph; three more were in the 13 second range, others to 16.57 seconds at 85.98 mph. TR7s ran from 18.32 seconds at 72.66 mph to 21.69 seconds at 57.77 mph.

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