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Postby Steve-LPS-Thomas » 09 May 2010 20:27

Hi, sorry didn't connect your real name to your forum name (if you see what I mean). Don't worry, I was asked not to make the list public (for whatever reason) and I wasn't going to!

Just a wee bit confused.. were TCN cars renamed from ACN cars because of model year/sales regs or were they a separate batch? Usual quotes are 110, 135 or 150 ACN's. How many do you recken there were?

On a separate note.. I just come back from a blast around our country lanes and despite it being a FHC, the cobwebs have been well and truely blasted away!

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Postby tr8 » 09 May 2010 21:54

Here is a blurb on the ACN cars that I sent off a few years ago. Totals are now about 190 cars.


I include here some of the information that I have gathered on the ACN series of TR8 coupes and include the caveat that I put at the front of the bit I sent on the production coupes................


Paul MacDonald.....................
As part of my search for TR8 coupe VIN numbers I have assembled a lot of information from people who are knowledgeable about the cars, Ted S, David Huddleson, Woody, and from many other people and written sources. Here is a composite of a lot of what I have learned about the pre-production TR8 coupes. The words are not necessarily mine but cut and pasted from information received (so references to I and me are not necessarily Paul MacDonald).

If you have information that refutes some of the statements, I would like to hear about it (no one knows everything about these cars), and if you have constructive comments, I'm all ears!



Thanks

Paul MacDonald


"Pre-production, Assessment, Prototype" ACN Cars



The ACN series of TR8's were built in 1977 in anticipation of a Spring 1978 product launch in North America (it didn't happen!)

Which car will have the earliest build date. So far I think it is ACN8... in January 77.

As Ted Schumacher stated, "These were produced and given to factory reps to "test" drive here in the States. A few cars were given to independents for additional driving and evaluation. We (Ted was a dealer) received one of these cars. I owned around 35 of the pre-production cars and several the 1979/80 coupes. " They were (for the most part) released to Triumph/BL staff for "evaluation" and later sold off... Around 150 of these were built, most of them with automatic transmissions. These are the cars we refer to as "Pre-Production" TR8 Coupes.

ACN01063UCA once owned by David Huddleson, was sold from Midtown Motors on St Catherine St. in Montreal, to the British Leyland Regional office on Cote de Liesse Boulevard (first registered owners)!

TR8CCA newsletter issue #35 page 21 and there is a copy of a Factory letter on Austin Rover Group Stationary to a Robbert W. Hinds dated 17 Nov 1982! Here a K. Bowen, Export Liaison Executive talks about Mr. Hinds ACN01110UCA "Assessment car" (we call prototype TR8s) and the quantities (119 cars) and that all were auto transmissions.

ACN 0001 and ACN 0002 are 5 speeds and came that way. There are several other ACN cars which also supposedly came with 5 speeds from the factory.

Within the ACN series of coupes there are differences, on early ones they have the large gas cap, and the interior light is on ceiling/headliner, not in doors. These were the cars built in January through June of 1977 (according to my listing). They are all ACN000xx numbers, less than VIN #1000.

The later ACN series, like 1000 and up (ACN01xxx) have the small gas cap,and door courtesy lights. These have build date between July 1977 through September 1977 (according to my listing).

I own ACN01081 (Aug 77) which was/is titled as a 1977 but apparently should not have been titled as a 1977 either, since those cars were US "Certified" for 1978 emissions!

Ted was telling me how his #1 coupe has had numerous names tried on it. Apparently you can still see where they tried out several names including "Bullet". He also said he has several misc bits that came with the car that they tried out on it such as a roof spoiler and several other aerodynamic aids.

Ted mentioned that he thought door lights on ACN 0003 were dummies and were just used for the brochure photo shoots. Apparently they took a BUNCH of photos of the first 3 or 4 cars they built. ACN 0003 lights don't work and when the original owner was asked about them, he said he couldn't remember that they had EVER worked.

The interior of #3 is a little funny in that it's got a regular feeble dome light WAY at the back of the roof (because of the sunroof). It's also got this nifty little maplight on a coil cord between the seats. That works. It's also got these door lights which don't work at all. My guess is that they were trying out everything to see which they liked. ACN0003 does have the HUGE gas cap.

I think you will find that all the very early Coupes: ACN00001 - 00036 (and maybe more!) have the large gas cap, and have the early style interior light on the ceiling. I think the early cars used for photo sessions may have been "rigged" for the brochure appearances, and I do know that #1(Ted's car) has door lights without wires, and metal behind has been "bashed" to form a cavity where backside of lamp needs to sit...

All the ACN cars are supposed to have mat-black rear tail lamp panels. If you do rub the flat black hard enough, the body color does reappear (ask me how I know that!!!). Only when the TCN cars were produced did the "body color" rear panels appear. The #3 car has been repainted, and the rear panel has not been re-done with flat black! To be correct, it should be black.

NUMBERS

I have, on the VIN listing (numbers approximate but close, as a couple are suspect):

15 cars ACN0001 to ACN00036 listed
47 cars ACN1003 to ACN1116 listed
Total 62 ACN cars

28 cars TCN 150003 to 150199
68 cars TCN 160001 to 160145
Total 96 TCN cars

1 car TPZEV8A199999

Grand total approx 160 coupes.

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Postby tr8 » 09 May 2010 21:56

Here is a similar blurb on the TCN cars.



As part of my search for TR8 coupe VIN numbers I have assembled a lot of information from people who are knowledgeable about the cars, Ted S, David Huddleson, Woody, and from many other people and written sources. Here is a composite of what I have learned about the production TR8 coupes. The words are not necessarily mine but cut and pasted from information received (so references to I and me are not necessarily Paul MacDonald).

If you have information that refutes some of the statements, I would like to hear about it (no one knows everything about these cars), and if you have constructive comments, I'm all ears!


Thanks

Paul MacDonald


Production TR8 Coupes

The TCN series of TR8's were built starting in late 1978 in anticipation of (yet another aborted) Spring 1979 launch in the USA.

According to Ted S "TCN numbered cars were actually "legitimate" '79/'80 model coupes. There were approximately 180 of these."

With the convertible now "in the works" I imagine that is why the USA aborted the launch of the TCN cars. However, at least 30 TCN TR8's were sold officially in Canada for the 1979 model year (including David Huddleson's TCN150042).

In fact, there were several "fixes" applied to the TCN series in comparison to the ACN cars, whereas the TCN Coupes were very similar to all the carbureted convertibles (wiring, temp switches, rad hoses etc.)

Further analysis of the TCN cars shows the TCN 150xxx series were built to a 1979 "spec" not 1978 as incorrectly stated in many publications. while the TCN 160xxx series (starting around June 1979) were built to a 1980 specification.

If we are correct that the 150000 cars were 1979 models, they were not supposed to be sold in the USA as there was no DOT/EPA testing done for 79.

As there was no official 1979 model year for the TR8 (in the USA), the TCN 150xxx cars seem to have been re-tagged (officially?) as 1980 models (again, for the USA). If you own a TCN 150xxx Coupe, please check your driver's door pillar and you may find that the EPA Certification "Catalyst" sticker which says 1980 is stuck right over top of a similar sticker for 1979!! (I've seen many).

The TCN160001 should be the first 1980 Coupe VIN, as they state, and I just got off the phone with the current owner of the TR8 FHC that we are discussing. He walked out to the car looked at the VIN plate. He said it was built (re-serial numbered ?!?!?) April 79.

You will notice that the last of the TCN cars were built around November 1979, so really (in my opinion) they are still 1979 spec cars, look at the interiors fitted to all TR8 Coupes. They never got the tan or blue check interior. Of course TR7 Coupes were sold right to the end of production (1981) for the rest of the world, and they did get the new style interiors... but not TR8 Coupes!

Exactly one 1981 coupe, an engineering 'cast-off' apparently with Serial number 199999 was sold.

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Postby PeterTR7V8 » 09 May 2010 22:35

There appears to be some TR7 V8s sold by Triumph prior to the TCN/ACN cars. The car my friend has is AGC14636 & I have seen the original invoice specifying the 3500cc engine size. I'll see if I can get a copy of that.

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Postby tr8 » 10 May 2010 00:40

Would love to see that Peter.

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Postby Steve-LPS-Thomas » 11 May 2010 16:31

Thanks Jim. My car was built as a 5 speed manual. It's in the code on the end if I remember.. UCA LHD auto, UCF LHD manual.

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Postby TR Tony » 11 May 2010 17:02

ACN01080 was also built as a 5 speed manual gearbox car, suffix UCF.

Some really interesting info on this thread.

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Postby birminghamtr7 » 13 May 2010 11:07

I Went to 2500 slipped out of my range unfortunatly at the moment cant go anymore 18 mins left hope it goes to someone on here.

if you factor in the earth's rotation, we are all speeding

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Postby RUDDY » 13 May 2010 11:49

Out of my reach also, finished at £2820 , anyone putting their hands up as the new owner ...?

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Postby John Wood » 13 May 2010 13:04

Healthy price, hope who ever bought returns it to use and we can all see it soon. Got a feeling it could end up as a rally car.

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Postby Steve-LPS-Thomas » 13 May 2010 13:55

Ooops...

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Postby Ianftr8 » 13 May 2010 15:22

Not too far to pick it up then!

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Postby Bobbieslandy » 13 May 2010 17:56

suppose i'll get the blame for that[:D]

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Postby Steve-LPS-Thomas » 13 May 2010 18:33

No, I meant oops for turning an ACN into a rally cars already..

I didn't even bid!

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Postby John Wood » 13 May 2010 22:13

No problem with turning it into a rally car. Yours Steve is quite stunning. From what I understand it is a tidy car under all that dirt and bird mess.

Anyone owning up yet?

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