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Famous Frustrations - TR7 Style

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Famous Frustrations - TR7 Style

Postby Workshop Help » 02 Nov 2013 12:51

As some of our newly illustrious folks are discovering, there can be moments when tinkering about your TR7 is akin to butting ones head against a stone wall. Here are a few of the common adventures to be encountered. Rest assured, even the most experienced dinosaurs around here continue to 'enjoy' these encounters. The great irony are these supreme struggles are after all the nuts and bolts have been removed.

#1. Perhaps the best known nightmare is the cylinder head stuck on the studs. The studs, even with their screwdriver slot on top, freeze themselves to the head as the studs and head are dissimilar metals. Many are the solutions to pull the head loose with perhaps the most effective one being the 'head honcho'. This is a club owned massive tool that will get the job done. However, tracking it down, shipping costs both ways, and joining the club costs can be a pain.

Once the head is off, the prevention of this saga next time is to install Grade 8 bolts in place of the studs. Having the bolt heads gives a strong, positive grip with your breaker bar to get all the fasteners out of the cylinder head holes.

Please note the bolts installed in place of the studs/nuts holding down the head.

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#2. Next on our list of nightmares is the water pump. A reasonable and lucid person would think with the pump just setting in it's recess, the thing should just gently lift out. Oh, contraire! In this instance, a slide hammer will be your best and lasting friend forever. Sure, some folks have fabricated cute little pullers, and they work well, too. The single most important reminder on the pump removal is that the bolt holding the impeller in place is a left handed thread that tightens instead of loosening. It is the opposite of 'Righty-Tighty'. This bolt is now 'Righty-Loosey'.

#3. Another fun item is the removal of the rear axle hubs on the 3.63:1 rear ends found on the four speed cars. I really like this differential for several good reasons. But, getting that hub off can be a test of ones soul and self worth. The hub, after the nut is removed, is held on to the axle solely by stiction. This stiction results from pressure galling between the hub and axle on the taper fit. It is a form of hammer welding wherein a molecular bonding starts to occur.

Here is the axle showing the galling on the taper end that adheres to the matching taper in the hub.

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The upshot of it all is after three attempts last weekend, I had to give up and take the car down to Homer at the local garage. Using the super industrial strength puller and impact driver, the hub popped off to fly across the floor. Homer, knowing this would occur, stood to one side to avoid injury. Picking up the hub, a smear of anti-seize was applied and reinstalled so I could get it off back in my machine shed using my less stout puller. You see, the hub had to come off to replace the noisy axle bearing. Again, thinking of next time, do apply a smear of anti-seize lubricant on the inside of the hub and the taper end of the axle to prevent galling.

These three fun time events are what neophytes to the TR7 can expect in their future. There are other examples. Let's hear some war stories from our fellow veterans of the wrenching wars.

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Postby dursleyman » 02 Nov 2013 15:11

Mildred, don't forget the distributor. It looks like it should be OK sat there right on top of the engine but just trying to adjust the timing or fit a new set of points will cause a whole heap of frustration. Those two distributor fixing bolts hiding underneath will have your arms in knots and hands shredded.
I finally gave up and bought the special tool which I managed to find on Ebay. It was actually in the USA but it has been worth its weight in gold and has also been loaned out to quite a few of the folks on this forum.

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Postby g4zur » 02 Nov 2013 16:18

That's true Russ. I was one who borrowed the said spanner, While I had it I put pen to paper and drew around it. got a 7/16 spanner, gave it to my son who promptly made me one.
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Postby FI Spyder » 02 Nov 2013 18:20

I had the top off my distributor once to clean and grease the advance weights. I guess that's the advantage to having a Delco electronic one. I bought a brand new NOS one off eBay for cheap just so that now I have one, I'll never need it.

not had the head off or replaced water pump. Looking forward to that.[:p]



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Postby bmcecosse » 02 Nov 2013 18:47

All good points -I think if I have to disturb the head (and I did an 1850 SAAB one almost 40 years ago) I would apply a smear of copper slip to the studs (or bolts) when refitting. Any chance of a picture (or sketch) of this special dizzy spanner??

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Postby Workshop Help » 02 Nov 2013 18:49

Here's a couple more ulcer makers.

Speaking of distributors, the hold down plate as threaded holes that are easily stripped. These are the holes for the hold down bolts. When the exposed one on the intake side is damaged, it is a simple matter to insert a bolt with a nut to clamp everything down. However, when the bolt hole on the exhaust side strips out, the bolt will stay there and spin away all day long without coming out. For the past 15+ years I have yet to get that bolt out to make a permanent repair. If anyone has a suggestion, I'm ready to try most anything.

Another problem is that one bolt partially hidden under the fan assembly. It is one of three holding the assembly to the front engine cover. Once apon a time I over wrenched the bolt head and sheered off a corner. This meant no good grip on it, so it stayed in place thru the big overhaul in September 2004. A few years later with a Dremel tool in hand, the bolt head was finally cut off enough to get the bolt out. The new bolt was hand tightened and barely torqued with a wrench. Now, it will easily unthread.

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Postby dursleyman » 02 Nov 2013 22:10

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Century Gothic, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by bmcecosse</i>

All good points -I think if I have to disturb the head (and I did an 1850 SAAB one almost 40 years ago) I would apply a smear of copper slip to the studs (or bolts) when refitting. Any chance of a picture (or sketch) of this special dizzy spanner??

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as requested a picture of the dizzy spanner, its basically just a 7/16" ring with a bent handle so not too difficult to make one for yourself.

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Postby fastman » 02 Nov 2013 23:49

Oh Mildred...what about the front sway-bar wrestling? Or the changing of the heater matrix? Or the removing the front bolt on our seats? Gas tank straps? Thank goodness for the community we've created!

BTW, one of my favourites is the grade 8 head bolt exchange. Truly a comforting, economical, logical solution.

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Postby bmcecosse » 03 Nov 2013 08:17

But you have to wonder at the genius that came up with the stud-with-slot idea in the first place....... No doubt was to save 0.1 minutes on engine assembly - drop the head down the studs and then fit the bolts.

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Postby Beans » 03 Nov 2013 09:54

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Century Gothic, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by fastman</i>

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No need for that as long as you use common sense and a pair of trolley jacks [;)]

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Postby RadioGuy » 03 Nov 2013 12:39

How about that flimsy arm rest that sits on top of the master cylinder? Ya know how expensive that thing is?[B)] AND besides it ain’t that comfortable !! [:0]

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Postby FI Spyder » 03 Nov 2013 12:55

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Century Gothic, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by RadioGuy</i>

How about that flimsy arm rest that sits on top of the master cylinder? Ya know how expensive that thing is?[B)] AND besides it ain’t that comfortable !! [:0]
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On top of master cylinder? If you mean the arm rest on the center counsole, if you arm is resting there, you aren't driving fast enough.[8D]



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Postby RadioGuy » 03 Nov 2013 17:22

Yes, that white thingie that holds the stop juice.

and Yes...both hands on the wheel, white knuckles...[:p]

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Postby Workshop Help » 03 Nov 2013 18:54

Please. Allow me to attempt a partial translation.

Stop Juice = Brake Fluid

White Thingie = Master Brake Cylinder Cap

Expensive? Well, in the current V-B catalog it is $5.95 plus shipping.

As for it being an uncomfortable armrest? That escapes me. Perhaps if I had some 'stumphole' in my marmalade or an extra glug of Geritol this morning it might make sense.

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Postby RadioGuy » 03 Nov 2013 20:22

Actually it was the reservoir I was speaking of. [:I] I wish they could be found less the master cylinder. Leaning over the low profile of our machines with an over the sweet spot back makes the reservoir way too convenient for the fore arm to rest on...need to glue some spikes on the top to keep ones arm off the big $$$$ items. [B)]


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