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Postby macmattom » 14 Dec 2008 22:53

<font face="Comic Sans MS"></font id="Comic Sans MS"><font size="5"></font id="size5"><font color="blue"></font id="blue"><b></b>Hi, another question.

One of the threaded holes in the cylinder head for the inlet manifold bolts has threaded. Does anybody have any good ideas? I was going to use some of that chemical metal to fill the hole and then re-thread it the same size, but should I just drill the hole out larger and the rethread to suit? If so, what is the smallest diameter bolt I can use?

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Postby Cobber » 14 Dec 2008 23:42

<font face="Comic Sans MS"><font size="2">What you need is a helical thread insert like Helicoil or Re-coil (brands available here in Oz, other brands my be available in other countries) available from industrial tool suppliers and bolt merchants.
http://www.emhart.com/products/helicoil.asp
http://www.engineproblem.com.au/helicoil.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFYa6sjhh_E
http://www.alcoa.com/fastening_systems/ ... cat_id=685 </font id="size2"></font id="Comic Sans MS">

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Postby Rich in Vancouver » 15 Dec 2008 04:51

Cobber is right. A Heli-coil will allow you to use a fastener of the correct size into steel threads. They are inexpensive and easy to use. I have used them on my FHC to repair stripped spark plug threads and have had absolutely no problems.

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Postby cliff » 15 Dec 2008 05:42

Mac, another option is a threaded key-locking insert also known as locksert inserts, as Heli coil insert have a tendacy to back out.
http://www.bikudo.com/product_search/de ... serts.html If you search on <font color="red"><b>key locking threaded inserts </b> </font id="red"> you should be able to locate a vendor in the UK.[8D]

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Postby Marko » 15 Dec 2008 10:12

Cobber's right works great on any ruined thread including spark plug threads :)

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Postby Cobber » 15 Dec 2008 10:34

<font face="Comic Sans MS"><font size="2">The trick to using helicoils on spark plug threads is when you re tap the hole fill the flutes of the tap with grease this causes the swarf to stick to the tap and not fall down the hole into the bore. </font id="size2"></font id="Comic Sans MS">

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Postby Hasbeen » 15 Dec 2008 11:29

You blokes are better than me. When I bought this 7, one of the
plugs brought the thread out with it.

With all the right gear, I tried to put one in, but a rough point,
about half way in stopped the coil, & it just unwound, every time,
no matter how I tried to tap it.

I had to get a mobile bloke to come & fit a solid sleeve.

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Postby macmattom » 04 Jan 2009 20:47

<font face="Comic Sans MS"></font id="Comic Sans MS"><font size="4"></font id="size4"><font color="blue"></font id="blue">I've decided to take it to a pro and swallow the cost. No point trashing the head beyond repair trying to be a clever-clogs. I have a spare head I'll practice on, but need to get the engine back in the car. Thanks for your help.

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Postby jclay (RIP 2018) » 04 Jan 2009 21:07

OK, whats a " clever-clogs"?

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Postby Rich in Vancouver » 04 Jan 2009 21:10

as the swarf was just alloy I let it fall into the cylinder and get blown out the exhaust. Mind you, at that point I was in no mood to get fancy. I had been crossing a long bridge in heavy traffic when the engine started making a horrendous noise. I struggled to the far side of the bridge, and when I opened the bonnet saw a spark plug hanging by it's wire. I drove into a nearby parking lot and called my wife to take me to the auto parts store. I picked up a Heli-coil kit and had the plug back in place in no time. Heli-coils have come a long way. The kit I bought had a 2 level tap that follows the remains of the old thread to tap the new hole. That was a life saver with the TR's angled plug holes. They also require that you Loctite the insert into place, so no problems with it coming out or leaking.
I would recommend them highly!

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<font face="Comic Sans MS"><font size="2">The trick to using helicoils on spark plug threads is when you re tap the hole fill the flutes of the tap with grease this causes the swarf to stick to the tap and not fall down the hole into the bore. </font id="size2"></font id="Comic Sans MS">

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Postby macmattom » 19 Jan 2009 21:34

<font face="Comic Sans MS"></font id="Comic Sans MS"><font size="5"></font id="size5"><font color="blue"></font id="blue">Well, that's another job ticked off the list. It was expensive, but still cheaper than a trashed head. Sometimes I just can't be bothered.

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Postby macmattom » 19 Jan 2009 21:36

Clever-clogs is a phrase for a know-it-all, a smart alec (don't know if I'd get away with the common phrase, but didn't want to offend, just in case).<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Century Gothic, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by jclay</i>

OK, whats a " clever-clogs"?

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