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Marko · Postby **Marko** » 27 Dec 2008 22:18

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by tr8coupe

[:D]very nice i bellieve demon tweeks some years ago had something similar to those at around 300 pounds
[:D]they can be made quite easy doh[:D]

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i hate that store.... very arrogant and unprofessional

its not a problem to fabricate suspension components, the really difficult part is to determine the geometry of that "modification to the suspension" and how it effects the car's handling , the construction is the easy part.

Beans · Postby **Beans** » 27 Dec 2008 22:30

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Marko

I hate that store.... very arrogant and unprofessional<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Did you annoy someone on the phone ... never had any problems with them [:p]

As for the suspension geometry , thatâ€™s not what youâ€™d call rocket science. Fairly basic mechanics and mathematics, just do some reading on the subject ... [;)]

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1981 TR7 FHC Sprint (better known as 't Kreng)
1981 TR7 DHC (not very well known yet, but back on the road)
Also a 1980 TR7 DHC, 1980 TR7 DHC FI, 1981 TR7 FHC
http://tr7beans.blogspot.com/</center>

Marko · Postby **Marko** » 27 Dec 2008 22:56

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Beans

Did you annoy someone on the phone ... never had any problems with them [:p]

As for the suspension geometry , thatâ€™s not what youâ€™d call rocket science. Fairly basic mechanics and mathematics, just do some reading on the subject ... [;)]

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naa we ordered some parts two years ago from them (from USA not UK ) it took them 4 months to airmail parts for our Formula Student , that where paid in advance , and when the package finally arrived ,half of the things where missing , we where pissed off because the crucial parts ( like steering rack) where not in there. after calling them on the phone ( from Croatia to USA) and threatening them with a law suite they sent the rest of the parts in 3 days. it wouldnt bother me that much but it was a considerable order, if i remember correctly 4-5k dollars payed in advance, and in the e-mails they said that they have all of those things in stock.

about suspension geometry i did a lot of reading on the subject and learned a couple of software packages, the problem is when you have a lot of assumptions in your design, and when you get to the testing stage all of the wrong assumptions are instantly displayed . [:D][:D][:D]

Beans · Postby **Beans** » 27 Dec 2008 23:24

Didn't know DT also were in the US of A ...
Visited theme a few times in their premisses in Wales.

S for the software, nothing beats a proper test drive.
Ok it's proably slightly more time consuming [;)]

<center>

1981 TR7 FHC Sprint (better known as 't Kreng)
1981 TR7 DHC (not very well known yet, but back on the road)
Also a 1980 TR7 DHC, 1980 TR7 DHC FI, 1981 TR7 FHC
http://tr7beans.blogspot.com/</center>

Hasbeen · Postby **Hasbeen** » 28 Dec 2008 01:53

I've got to say that I'm with Mildred here.

My 7 is a beautiful thing to drive, moderately quickly. You can feel
each wheel feeling for the road, testing it for level, smoothness, &
grip. The only other car i've driven with this type of feel is an
early 80s Honda Prelude.

Neither of these cars is the fastest around a corner, just great to
drive. This is what attracted me to the 7 in the first place.

Our 8 is much modified, & is at least 15% quicker around all but the
slower corners, but it has lost that wonderful feel. It handles, &
feels like any of a host of modern cars, &, although quicker than
most of them, it is not as "nice" for a quick sunday thrash, as the
stockish 7.

If you want to go faster, the 8 will do it, but not by as much as
you would think. The driver, who can expliot his car will be very
quick.

With this, I can feel another story comming on, so I'll start
another thread.

Hasbeen

Beans · Postby **Beans** » 28 Dec 2008 10:04

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mildred

In our opinion ... the stock suspension is more than adequate for providing excellent control and comfort<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
I found a rather old picture of me in my fist TR7 during a Hillclimb. I was one of the faster competitors, but the car (on stock suspension) was all over the place, but good fun nevertheless [:D]

Have to agree with Hasbeen, you could feel everything that was going on between tyres and road.
On 't Kreng everything's much stiffer and more adjustable, as a result of which grip is much improved. This has made the car much faster and precise around corners.
Every pro has it's con though, that's why my DHC has only slightly uprated suspension ...

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1981 TR7 FHC Sprint (better known as 't Kreng)
1981 TR7 DHC (not very well known yet, but back on the road)
Also a 1980 TR7 DHC, 1980 TR7 DHC FI, 1981 TR7 FHC
http://tr7beans.blogspot.com/</center>

nadg63 · Postby **nadg63** » 28 Dec 2008 11:06

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Beans

[quote]Originally posted by Mildred

In our opinion ... the stock suspension is more than adequate for providing excellent control and comfort<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
I found a rather old picture of me in my fist TR7 during a Hillclimb. I was one of the faster competitors, but the car (on stock suspension) was all over the place, but good fun nevertheless [:D]

Have to agree with Hasbeen, you could feel everything that was going on between tyres and road.
On 't Kreng everything's much stiffer and more adjustable, as a result of which grip is much improved. This has made the car much faster and precise around corners.
Every pro has it's con though, that's why my DHC has only slightly uprated suspension ...

<center>

1981 TR7 FHC Sprint (better known as 't Kreng)
1981 TR7 DHC (not very well known yet, but back on the road)
Also a 1980 TR7 DHC, 1980 TR7 DHC FI, 1981 TR7 FHC
http://tr7beans.blogspot.com/</center>
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Just look at that squidgy suspension! (no thank you)

Personally prefer stiffer set-ups, going right back to my Mk2 Escort RS2000 days and continuing in my current WRX, Astra Turbo and the TR when finished.

Hasbeen · Postby **Hasbeen** » 28 Dec 2008 12:10

That is some body roll there Beans. I wonder what my current 7 does?
It's reset springs, & stiffer shocks probably hold it up a bit, but
you probably have something similar.

My first 7 , with missing front bump stops, when I got it, used to
bring the front fender down onto the tyre, through an 80Km, [50MPH]
up hill, reverse camber with a wave in it, curve. It must have been
rolling as far as yours, but felt OK inside.

I am very jealous of you being able to do a hill climb, with no
helmet, & with a passenger. Your motor sport authorities must be
more enlightened than ours.

Nadg, If you thimk that looks bad, you should have seen the photos
of some of the early Bathurst 500 mile races, in stock standard
cars. Even things like the Holdon Manaros, & the Ford GT HOs, built
as "sort of" racing cars, assumed some pretty weird angles on wheels
& bodies. That was, of course, half the fun.

I have a photo of me, in a Hillman Imp, with a front wheel 7" in the
air, with a Vaxhaul Viva, behind me, with a back wheel in a similar pose.

Hasbeen

Workshop Help · Postby **Workshop Help** » 28 Dec 2008 12:37

My Goodness! Does our friend from the Netherlands use his TR7 like this is his normal daily business operations? We certainly do not. We use our car between 125 to 150 miles per day on the stock suspension and are quite comfortable and confident in it's performance.

That is why the use of the qualifier, 'every day business operations', was used in my statement. That one should choose to throw back the end fragment of my opinion in our collective faces to justify one's viewpoint displays an argumentative venue more in keeping with the nag party down at Agnes' Cut-n-Curl beauty shop.

It is still in our interest to hear from someone who actually buys and uses this style of lower wishbone suspension as to how it compares in various driving environments with the factory setup.

Mildred Hargis

Beans · Postby **Beans** » 28 Dec 2008 19:14

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mildred

My Goodness! Does our friend from the Netherlands use his TR7 like this is his normal daily business operations? We certainly do not... <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
And that's only with stock suspension ...
I am sorry for you guys in the States, but it is a sports car isn't it [:p]

B.t.w. I have a litle Landy and a bicycle for my daily driving by now .
TR7's should be just for fun shouldn't they [8)]

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1981 TR7 FHC Sprint (better known as 't Kreng)
1981 TR7 DHC (not very well known yet, but back on the road)
Also a 1980 TR7 DHC, 1980 TR7 DHC FI, 1981 TR7 FHC
http://tr7beans.blogspot.com/</center>

Beans · Postby **Beans** » 28 Dec 2008 19:29

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Hasbeen

...I am very jealous of you being able to do a hill climb, with no helmet, & with a passenger. Your motor sport authorities must be
more enlightened than ours<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Don't be jealous, due to all kinds of local rules it is nigh on impossible to get a permit for a competitive motorsport events in the NL over the past 20 years, so we did it more or less illegaly on public roads. Which meant we couldn't use helmets etc and we needed a co-driver with a short wave radio to inform us on oncoming traffic [:D]
(we had a few guys along the road to inform us on on-coming traffic)

<center>

1981 TR7 FHC Sprint (better known as 't Kreng)
1981 TR7 DHC (not very well known yet, but back on the road)
Also a 1980 TR7 DHC, 1980 TR7 DHC FI, 1981 TR7 FHC
http://tr7beans.blogspot.com/</center>

Workshop Help · Postby **Workshop Help** » 28 Dec 2008 20:53

The TR7 a sports car? Of course it is.

Is the TR7 just for fun? Most certainly, the TR7 is what each of us want it to be. Be it a full competition tool as in the vein of Group 44 or others from the past & present, an updated weekend racer, a severely modified hot rod, a daily commuter, our business coupe, a restored show quality trailer Queen, or even a west coast Low Rider with full airborne ability hydraulics, this is one fun car if that's what you want.

We continue to maintain our desire for a review by some one here that actually puts one on their car. Yes, I am fully aware of how tight money is these days. We would like to get a strut brace for our TR7 tho we are not sure it would be a significant benefit in our driving environment, which does include steep and twisting lanes. But, money is money these days. It may surprise some to know that not all roadways on the North American continent are wide and straight, tho we do have our share.

One last point, from the 1949 movie, 'She Wore a Yellow Ribbon', comes the famous line from the character portrayed by the late John Wayne. "Never apologize, it's a sign of weakness!"

Mildred Hargis

nadg63 · Postby **nadg63** » 28 Dec 2008 21:30

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Hasbeen

That is some body roll there Beans. I wonder what my current 7 does?
It's reset springs, & stiffer shocks probably hold it up a bit, but
you probably have something similar.

My first 7 , with missing front bump stops, when I got it, used to
bring the front fender down onto the tyre, through an 80Km, [50MPH]
up hill, reverse camber with a wave in it, curve. It must have been
rolling as far as yours, but felt OK inside.

I am very jealous of you being able to do a hill climb, with no
helmet, & with a passenger. Your motor sport authorities must be
more enlightened than ours.

Nadg, If you thimk that looks bad, you should have seen the photos
of some of the early Bathurst 500 mile races, in stock standard
cars. Even things like the Holdon Manaros, & the Ford GT HOs, built
as "sort of" racing cars, assumed some pretty weird angles on wheels
& bodies. That was, of course, half the fun.

I have a photo of me, in a Hillman Imp, with a front wheel 7" in the
air, with a Vaxhaul Viva, behind me, with a back wheel in a similar pose.

Hasbeen

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As you mentioned them in your reply, here's myself in a Phase2 XW GT-HO getting a bit of a lean on in this years Classic Adelaide, (I'm the navigator), and this one has relatively sorted suspension - Bilsteins etc.

Have to admit, for a dinosaur it is a great car and surprised me as to how fast it is the first time I ever went in it!

Finally here is a pic of what an Aussie 'muscle' car does best - kill tyres! (the spectators seemed to like it ....... !!??)

nadg63 · Postby **nadg63** » 28 Dec 2008 21:33

[quote]Originally posted by Mildred

My Goodness! Does our friend from the Netherlands use his TR7 like this is his normal daily business operations? We certainly do not. We use our car between 125 to 150 miles per day on the stock suspension and are quite comfortable and confident in it's performance.

It is still in our interest to hear from someone who actually buys and uses this style of lower wishbone suspension as to how it compares in various driving environments with the factory setup.

Mildred Hargis
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Once the budget allows for it will most likely give this front end a go, (remembering my car is not destined to be a 'road' car anymore).

So watch this space and will give feed-back once it has been fitted but note it will not be for quite a while .......... !!!

tr8 · Postby **tr8** » 29 Dec 2008 01:15

The front suspension looks very much like that used on the Group 44 TR8 with the separate a-frame and adjustable sway bar.

I'm pretty sure I got the photo from V8Wedgehead (Michael)...thanks

Paul

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